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		<title>Comment on Perfect Example of Glenn Beck&#8217;s &#8220;Logic&#8221; by Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not getting a huge amount of play.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Perfect Example of Glenn Beck&#8217;s &#8220;Logic&#8221; by Dave the Longwinded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave the Longwinded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, well... Isn&#039;t that the point. BTW, did you guys up there hear anything about a census worker being killed and strung up from a tree in Clay County KY? Someone apparently scrawled &quot;FED&quot; on him...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, well&#8230; Isn&#8217;t that the point. BTW, did you guys up there hear anything about a census worker being killed and strung up from a tree in Clay County KY? Someone apparently scrawled &#8220;FED&#8221; on him&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Now I have two homes and a time share&#8230; by Dave the Longwinded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave the Longwinded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vincent, nice of you to stop by! I wouldn&#039;t call this a sustained place with many followers. I can only think of three regulars, and they&#039;re all friends I talk to via Facebook, email, or Twitter, if not F2F. I&#039;m just not sure what to do with it, since most of what I did here (games) I have moved over to the ODU site. I have noticed that when I post politics-related stuff, my traffic goes up by about ten-fold. Of course, that means that I get about 80 hits in one day, rather than 8! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent, nice of you to stop by! I wouldn&#8217;t call this a sustained place with many followers. I can only think of three regulars, and they&#8217;re all friends I talk to via Facebook, email, or Twitter, if not F2F. I&#8217;m just not sure what to do with it, since most of what I did here (games) I have moved over to the ODU site. I have noticed that when I post politics-related stuff, my traffic goes up by about ten-fold. Of course, that means that I get about 80 hits in one day, rather than 8! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Perfect Example of Glenn Beck&#8217;s &#8220;Logic&#8221; by Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s about three levels of trolling going on here.  If everyone is being disingenuous, rallying their team, there is no one left to persuade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s about three levels of trolling going on here.  If everyone is being disingenuous, rallying their team, there is no one left to persuade.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmm&#8230;Healthcare&#8230; by Perfect Example of Glenn Beck&#8217;s &#8220;Logic&#8221; &#171; NoWhere on the Ohio River</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perfect Example of Glenn Beck&#8217;s &#8220;Logic&#8221; &#171; NoWhere on the Ohio River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Can we put this douchebag and Michael Moore in the same padded cell, please? This is the perfect example of what I was talking about here. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Now I have two homes and a time share&#8230; by Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting problem. I thought about it too... and decided I was too lazy to maintain multiple blogs. Of course, the difference is that you have an established blog and people who follow it. I need to see if I can actually sustain blogging for something other than class (where it is required). I guess we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting problem. I thought about it too&#8230; and decided I was too lazy to maintain multiple blogs. Of course, the difference is that you have an established blog and people who follow it. I need to see if I can actually sustain blogging for something other than class (where it is required). I guess we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmm&#8230;Healthcare&#8230; by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Nadia&lt;/b&gt;, actually, we tend to argue &lt;i&gt;a lot&lt;/i&gt; about the public administration of all those things. For one, the vast majority of US citizens would agree that none of those services you mentioned are paid enough, thus causing both retention and corruption problems. 

Keep in mind that the last US administration made the argument that private military contractors could do certain jobs traditionally performed by non-combat units in the military. The role of PMCs working on behalf of the US in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and plenty of other places around the world has certainly been debated, but not nearly as much in the US as it probably should be. There are lots of documented examples in which PMCs have been implicated in all kinds of illegal activity, but Americans generally don&#039;t care. And tell Americans that a PMC can do the same job cheaper, and plenty of folks will totally jump on board with the idea of privatizing more and more of the military&#039;s traditional responsibilities.

In many small communities, things like EMS and fire departments are either voluntary organizations or private businesses. They often receive very little federal funding, instead relying on state funding, donations, or some sort of business models. Some are non-profits that charge a fee for services, and all the money is fed back into the service to maintain equipment and training. Others are for-profit businesses designed to provide a service and make a buck. 

Never underestimate the profit motive in the US. It can lead to certain kinds of logic that I&#039;m sure could only arise in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nadia</b>, actually, we tend to argue <i>a lot</i> about the public administration of all those things. For one, the vast majority of US citizens would agree that none of those services you mentioned are paid enough, thus causing both retention and corruption problems. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that the last US administration made the argument that private military contractors could do certain jobs traditionally performed by non-combat units in the military. The role of PMCs working on behalf of the US in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and plenty of other places around the world has certainly been debated, but not nearly as much in the US as it probably should be. There are lots of documented examples in which PMCs have been implicated in all kinds of illegal activity, but Americans generally don&#8217;t care. And tell Americans that a PMC can do the same job cheaper, and plenty of folks will totally jump on board with the idea of privatizing more and more of the military&#8217;s traditional responsibilities.</p>
<p>In many small communities, things like EMS and fire departments are either voluntary organizations or private businesses. They often receive very little federal funding, instead relying on state funding, donations, or some sort of business models. Some are non-profits that charge a fee for services, and all the money is fed back into the service to maintain equipment and training. Others are for-profit businesses designed to provide a service and make a buck. </p>
<p>Never underestimate the profit motive in the US. It can lead to certain kinds of logic that I&#8217;m sure could only arise in the US.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmm&#8230;Healthcare&#8230; by Nadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really interesting following these debates from over here, and the far right stuff is interesting in that trainwreck way.  As a (full disclosure) Canadian with all the expected biases that come on this issue, Obama&#039;s plan is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; socialized, it&#039;s guaranteed coverage for people that have no coverage whatsoever now.  People that have insurance aready can be covered however we want(if they are lucky enough to have the choice,) which is not what we have, here everyone gets the same care regardless.  I don&#039;t understand the argument that things are different for the US because they have a larger population, for some reason this huge population isn&#039;t an overwhelmingly difficult issue to deal with when it comes to public administration of the military, or firefighters, or prisons, or police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really interesting following these debates from over here, and the far right stuff is interesting in that trainwreck way.  As a (full disclosure) Canadian with all the expected biases that come on this issue, Obama&#8217;s plan is <i>not</i> socialized, it&#8217;s guaranteed coverage for people that have no coverage whatsoever now.  People that have insurance aready can be covered however we want(if they are lucky enough to have the choice,) which is not what we have, here everyone gets the same care regardless.  I don&#8217;t understand the argument that things are different for the US because they have a larger population, for some reason this huge population isn&#8217;t an overwhelmingly difficult issue to deal with when it comes to public administration of the military, or firefighters, or prisons, or police.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmm&#8230;Healthcare&#8230; by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;john&lt;/b&gt;, thank you for stopping by! I appreciate all the feedback I can get. I know virtually nothing about Wilson, so I won&#039;t comment on his motives. And while I agree that racism certainly drives a very loud portion of the Tea Party response, I wouldn&#039;t lay it on as a blanket over the whole movement. Some, I suspect, are just pissed because it&#039;s a Democrat in office rather than a Republican. I think others actually do believe Beck, Limbaugh, and the like that Obama is a raving fascist/Marxist/socialist. 

To me, it&#039;s too easy just to assign that as the singular, dominant motive to the opposition meme that&#039;s emerged. It&#039;s too easy to blame any of it on &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; one reason. After 9/11, the country took a fairly wide swing to the right, and many liberals had their own apoplectic fit. The pendulum swung the other way late last year and early this year. Any time that happens, the far opposite end of the spectrum is going to feel like &quot;our country is being taken away from us.&quot; 

The presentation of the debate though tends to take over the actual debate itself. Or, to echo Marshall McLuhan: the medium (news) has become the message (other side = evil!). It always appears that the spectacle somehow equates to broad representation of the majority view simply because it&#039;s loud. Tea Partiers think they represent &quot;the People.&quot; Anti-war activists argued the same thing. I didn&#039;t protest with anti-war activists in spite of my opposition to the Iraq invasion because 1) they were completely counterproductive, and 2) simply focused on assertions that I didn&#039;t think were true (&quot;No blood for oil&quot;). 

&lt;b&gt;Travis&lt;/b&gt;, always leave it to you to complicate my thought process! That&#039;s a good thing, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>john</b>, thank you for stopping by! I appreciate all the feedback I can get. I know virtually nothing about Wilson, so I won&#8217;t comment on his motives. And while I agree that racism certainly drives a very loud portion of the Tea Party response, I wouldn&#8217;t lay it on as a blanket over the whole movement. Some, I suspect, are just pissed because it&#8217;s a Democrat in office rather than a Republican. I think others actually do believe Beck, Limbaugh, and the like that Obama is a raving fascist/Marxist/socialist. </p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s too easy just to assign that as the singular, dominant motive to the opposition meme that&#8217;s emerged. It&#8217;s too easy to blame any of it on <i>any</i> one reason. After 9/11, the country took a fairly wide swing to the right, and many liberals had their own apoplectic fit. The pendulum swung the other way late last year and early this year. Any time that happens, the far opposite end of the spectrum is going to feel like &#8220;our country is being taken away from us.&#8221; </p>
<p>The presentation of the debate though tends to take over the actual debate itself. Or, to echo Marshall McLuhan: the medium (news) has become the message (other side = evil!). It always appears that the spectacle somehow equates to broad representation of the majority view simply because it&#8217;s loud. Tea Partiers think they represent &#8220;the People.&#8221; Anti-war activists argued the same thing. I didn&#8217;t protest with anti-war activists in spite of my opposition to the Iraq invasion because 1) they were completely counterproductive, and 2) simply focused on assertions that I didn&#8217;t think were true (&#8220;No blood for oil&#8221;). </p>
<p><b>Travis</b>, always leave it to you to complicate my thought process! That&#8217;s a good thing, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmm&#8230;Healthcare&#8230; by johnrj08</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnrj08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement with Travis&#039; take on the situation. I can&#039;t see anything but racism as being at the core of a movement to de-legitimize Obama&#039;s presidency. He has been attacked on every front, from his citizenship and religious faith to his political background and governing style. The extreme leftists in Lyndon LaRouche&#039;s organization and the ultra right-wingers are rallying around the same confederate flag. Joe Wilson, who idolizes Strom Thurmond and is a member of The Sons of the Confederacy, is just one noisy, out of control racist among many who supporting and inciting the Tea Party and Birthers movements. These people have found their spokesmen in Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. I don&#039;t see how being in denial about the racial divide in this country can be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement with Travis&#8217; take on the situation. I can&#8217;t see anything but racism as being at the core of a movement to de-legitimize Obama&#8217;s presidency. He has been attacked on every front, from his citizenship and religious faith to his political background and governing style. The extreme leftists in Lyndon LaRouche&#8217;s organization and the ultra right-wingers are rallying around the same confederate flag. Joe Wilson, who idolizes Strom Thurmond and is a member of The Sons of the Confederacy, is just one noisy, out of control racist among many who supporting and inciting the Tea Party and Birthers movements. These people have found their spokesmen in Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. I don&#8217;t see how being in denial about the racial divide in this country can be helpful.</p>
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